More TV Talk

Ed Sherman on the Tour TV deal winners and losers, leads off with his take on the Western Open (R.I.P.).

Steve Elling takes a closer look at Golf Channel and what it needs to do.

"We've got a lot of areas where we've got to get up to speed," said Frank Nobilo, a TGC analyst and former tour player. "We're in the major leagues. Now we've got to see whether the team is good enough. Hopefully we'll be the Florida Marlins."

No question, the sports analogy fits. Comcast, the cable giant that own TGC, just purchased a big-league franchise -- and now it's time to work on that opening-day roster, because Triple-A talent won't get the job done.
And this: 
Still, it's not unusual for TGC to be ranked around 60th in the prime-time window among cable-TV networks, out-drawn by the likes of Great American Country and Country Music Television. Yep, TGC's minuscule ratings are to ESPN's what a crouton is to Winona Judd, and that will soon be a concern.

Greater Greensboro

Robert Bell writes about Greensboro improving its position and how the event gained an August date in 2007. This paragraph caught my eye, though I'm not sure what exactly it means:

It wasn't enough that Greensboro's tournament officials had redesigned aging Forest Oaks Country Club. Now the PGA Tour was pushing for its tournaments to become tax-exempt organizations run by a board of trustees of top businessmen from each tournament's respective city. Without these changes, Finchem said, it was unlikely Greensboro or any other tournament would be around when the tour prepared its 2007-2010 schedule.

Can anyone explain the desire to shift to "tax exempt organization run by a board of trustees of top businessmen?"  I'm sure it's strictly in the name of charity, but you know, it's good to double check.

Hannigan On TV Deal

Well here goes Frank blowing his chance to become the Tour's VP of Coterminous Platform-Pollination...

The PGA Tour's new television deal confirms the obvious - general interest in golf peaked years ago and is now in decline. Recreational golf has been flat or worse in terms of rounds played for many years. The two are interdependent.

Get this man talking points, now!

For the Tour to find and command a new audience would require a freakish event ­ like a hermaphrodite dwarf becoming leading money winner. And it would help if the dwarf's caddie could be Anna Nicole Smith.
Golf's popularity on television has also diminished because the Tour, which is absolutely no fun to deal with, thinks it knows television. This is particularly so of Commissioner Tim Finchem who has bullied the broadcasters about production techniques.

Hey, PGA Tour Sunday is a wonderful sedative.

The Tour also attempts to control overall content ­ especially what the announcers say ­ even who they are. ABC went outside the mould by hiring Nick Faldo who was a critical success because he occasionally spoke bluntly and without reverence. The Tour, believe me, did not like Nick Faldo one bit. It's not crazy about NBC's Johnny Miller either. Miller's success derives from his sounding on the air the way he sounds off the air.

Finchem has insisted in putting himself on the air as an interview subject. When I was with ABC during the l990s one of his minions would wander into the announcers' booth and casually ask what the questions of the boss might be. It's gone beyond that now. They want the actual words of the questions submitted in advance. Even Charles deGaulle couldn't get away with that.

He gets the questions in advance and still comes off that bored? Wow.

And this is interesting:

Equating the "basic cable" outlets ESPN and USA to The Golf Channel is nonsense. The AC Nielsen Company does not even provide ratings for The Golf Channel because the audience is too small to measure reliably. The word "subscribers" is tossed around in a misleading fashion.
Take my case. I live in a community of 20 homes. All can get The Golf Channel by paying an extra monthly fee. I am the only one who does so ­ because I get a kick out of hearing an old friend, Renton Laidlaw, do the European Tour. None of my neighbors, described by the careless New York Times, as among The Golf Channel's purported 75 million "subscribers", will jump aboard The Golf Channel starting in 2007.

Frank, don't tell me you still subscribe to that whole "paper of record" nonsense!?

I know prominent golf writers who have refused to get the Golf Channel for $5  month, even after I tell them that they must have it for the major championship coverage, European Tour and other bright spots in between the flood of infomercials and reality shows.

So it may be a tough sell on Frank's neighbors.

Azinger On FedEx Cup

You have to love Paul Azinger's honesty amidst all of the spin. Doug Ferguson reports:

"Players don't care who covers the game," he said. "I don't think Tiger Woods cares who covers the Masters."

Nor does he believe players will care that much about the FedEx Cup, which includes three Championship Series tournaments leading to the Tour Championship, with an estimated $10 million going to the winner.

Azinger's first victories came in 1987, the first year of the Tour Championship (then called the Nabisco Championship), which was created to define the end of the golf season.

That didn't work, and he isn't sure this new format will make much of a difference.

"The best players in the world are playing to make history," Azinger said. "There are only four tournaments you can win to make history, and TPC (The Players Championship) is not one of them. And neither are those world events. And you're not going to make history winning some kind of FedEx Cup."

Tour Winners, Tour Losers

Scott Michaux takes a detailed look at the TV deal winners and losers and makes this (sad) point for some hoping to see a return of an old Masters tradition:

LOSER: Tour winners. With opposite events and even more diluted fall finish events, Hootie Johnson might be even less inclined to re-implement automatic Masters invites to tournament winners.

Tournaments React to TV Deal

pgatour.jpgSpinning the new schedule seems to be the initial reaction to the new TV deal and 2007 schedule. Just give them all a few weeks.

Bob Harig does the best job summarizing the 2007 schedule winners and losers.

The Booz Allen got shipped to the fall and you have to wonder if Booz CEO Ralph Shrader's publicly expressed displeasure with the Tour played a role.

"I don't think flabbergasted would be too strong of a description of our reaction to the news," said Steve Lesnik, the chief executive officer of KemperSports, the company that has long directed and managed the local tour stop (currently the Booz Allen Classic). "We had no real forewarning, so it's going to take a few days to digest all the implications and ramifications of the situation."

Dan Bollerman writes about the new Mexico event, which ought to survive at least three years.

Gary D'Amato looks at the Milwaukee tournament and the efforts to put a positive spin on a dreadful date.

Gary Baines writes about The International and how happy they are with their new date. But it's hard to imagine sounds like a better way to get ready for links golf than 7 irons from 220.

Jeff Platsky looks at the B.C. Open likely making a move to the Champions Tour, and offers some interesting figures on what it costs to sponsor a Valiant Competitors Tour event.

Finally, Ed Sherman writes about the end of the Western Open name, which dates to 1899. He also looks at the mysterious move to Chicago only seeing the Tour every-other-year while the event is shifted to Hazeltine, Crooked Stick and Bellerive. The one positive is a likely jump in charitable donations to the Evans Scholarship fund.

2007 PGA Tour Schedule

Here's the 2007 PGA Tour schedule, minus the post FedEx Cup series events (the Chase for the Card or whatever they're calling it). Harford and the Washington D.C. stops are out, which explains why the TPC Avenal redo is on hold:

Date: Tournament (Television)
Jan. 1-7: Mercedes Championships (TGC)
Jan. 8-14: Sony Open in Hawaii (TGC)
Jan. 15-21: Bob Hope Chrysler Classic (TGC)
Jan. 22-28: Buick Invitational (TGC, CBS)
Jan. 29-Feb. 4: FBR Open (TGC, NBC)
Feb. 5-11: AT&T Pebble Beach National Pro-Am (TGC, CBS)
Feb. 12-18: Nissan Open (TGC, CBS)
Feb. 19-25: WGC Accenture Match Play Championship (TGC, NBC)
Feb. 19-25: Mayakoba Classic at Riviera Maya (Mexico) (TGC)
Feb. 26-March 4: The Honda Classic (TGC, NBC)
March 5-11: Tampa Bay Championship (TGC, NBC)
March 12-18: Bay Hill Invitational presented by MasterCard (TGC, NBC)
March 19-25: WGC CA Championship (TGC, NBC)
March 26-April 1: Shell Houston Open (TGC, NBC)
April 2-8: The Masters: USA,CBS)
April 9-15: MCI Heritage (TGC, CBS)
April 16-22: Zurich Classic of New Orleans (TGC, CBS)
April 23-29: EDS Byron Nelson Championship (TGC, CBS)
April 30-May 6: Wachovia Championship (TGC, CBS)
May 7-13: The Players Championship (TGC, NBC)
May 14-20: BellSouth Classic (TGC, CBS)
May 21-27: The Colonial Invitational (TGC, CBS)
May 28-June 3: The Memorial Tournament (TGC, CBS)
June 4-10: Stanford St. Jude Championship (TGC, CBS)
June 11-17: U.S. Open (ESPN, NBC)
June 18-24: 84 Lumber Classic (TGC, CBS)
June 25-July 1: Buick Open (TGC, CBS)
July 2-8: The International (TGC, CBS)
July 9-15: John Deere Classic (TGC, CBS)
July 16-22: British Open (TNT, ABC)
July 16-22: U.S. Bank Championship in Milwaukee (TGC)
July 23-29: Bell Canadian Open (TGC, CBS)
July 30-Aug. 5: WGC Bridgestone Invitational (TGC, CBS)
Aug. 6-12: PGA Championship (TNT, CBS)
Aug. 13-19: Carolina Classic at Greensboro (TGC, CBS)
FedEx Cup Championship Series:
Aug. 20-26: Barclays Classic/New York City (TGC, CBS)
Aug. 27-Sept. 3: Deutsche Bank Championship/Boston (TGC, NBC)
Sept. 3-9: Championship Series event/Chicago (TGC, NBC)
Sept. 10-16: The Tour Championship (TGC, NBC)

 

Flashback: July 16, 2001...

...that's when the PGA Tour's 2002-2006 television contract was announced.

"Tiger has increased the exposure for the game. That's great for golf, it's great for the tour, it's great for us," ESPN senior VP for programming John Wildhack said.

"The tour continues to show opportunities for growth and for increase. We're delighted that Tiger is as visible as any athlete in the world. That adds to the overall growth of the game."

And here was Wildhack talking to Steve Elling in the Orlando Sentinel after the 2007-2021(!?) deal was revealed:

John Wildhack, senior vice president of programming and acquisitions at ESPN and ABC, said talks with the tour broke down in late December when it became apparent that Disney would continue to lose money under the new contract terms. All the networks claim they lost money on the current contract, which ends after the '06 season. Wildhack said golf's TV viewership has suffered significant "erosion'' in that time, a fact borne out by the ratings.

And then there were these remarks from ABC on July 16, 2001.

"The PGA Tour right now is really on a roll, and we would like to roll along with them," said Loren Matthews, ABC Sports senior VP of programming. "Who knows what the future's going to bring, but we look into a crystal ball and we think Tiger's going to be in a lot of our events. We hope he plays in them all, but right now golf is very strong overall." 

Compare these comments from a Garry Smits Florida Times-Union story with this week's "streamlining" spin (talking point?):

According to Marc Ganis, president of Sportscorp Ltd., a Chicago-basedsports industry consulting firm, the rights fees increase was directly due to Woods's impact on ratings, which have increased by 50 percent on average when Woods has played.
"There's a whole new demographic of fans who are watching now on television and never did before," Ganis said, noting the high ratings that followed Woods's runaway win last year at the U.S. Open. "They're getting the casual fan who didn't used to tune in, but now does. It's the whole Tiger Woods phenomenon."

'We feel very, very good about all aspects of the agreement, both financial and non-financial,' said [Bob] Combs [of the PGA Tour]. 'The financial part is reflective of the very strong growth curve that the Tour has been on.'

'I think it's a fair financial deal for us and the Tour,' CBS Sports president Sean McManus said.

Brian Schecter, a media analyst with Kagan World Media, said Woods drives everything in golf, including the new deal. "Whether he wins or loses, ratings spike dramatically whenever he's playing," Schecter said. "I would say he is by far the most recognizeable athlete on the planet right now. So it's not surprising golf is cashing in on his coattails."

But CBS Sports President Sean McManus said that while Woods has been a boom to the sport, the sport's tie-ins with its corporate partners and title sponsors led to the deal.

"All of us went into it thinking the worst-case scenario that Tiger won't play as much as he has before or in some events that we don't have," McManus said. "All of us discounted the Tiger factor to a certain extent."

Ganis said the deal made sense because golf has several marquee events that can command large audiences even though television viewership has become more fragmented. Additionally, Ganis said golf has a strong core audience and solid support from corporations. He added that the networks might not necessarily need further ratings increases to make the agreement profitable.

"They can stay where they are and be okay," Ganis said. "They're historically at the highest levels they've ever been, which is not a bad position to be in. They're expected to go up, but it depends on whether Tiger Woods stays at the top of his game. And whether a current player or young player can develop a mano-a-mano rivalry with him."

Oops. We got rivals. "Product" that is boring to watch way too often. Therefore, no ratings. No profits.

Hey, but the demographics are still good.

And check out this Ron Sirak story from the February 2003 Golf Digest.

There is one other selling point Finchem maneuvered with foresight. Instead of playing his sponsors and television partners against each other, he tries to work with both.

"Golf has protected the networks better than any other sport," says Neal Pilson, former president of CBS Sports and now a media consultant. "Golf has remained profitable for the networks while other sports have not. Other sports take every nickel off the table in negotiations. Finchem always leaves one."

And here's Pilson after this week's 2007-2021 TV deal was announced:

"They're going through a marketplace adjustment," sports-television consultant Neal Pilson said of the PGA Tour's new deal. "The fact that ABC and ESPN had withdrawn was a significant signal that it is a much more difficult marketplace today than it was five or 10 years ago," he added.

"Under the prior deal, you had several different major carriers offering packages that allowed sponsors to play the networks against each other," Mr. Pilson said.

And finally from Sirak's story...

Economic conditions could very well make the decision for Finchem, who will be 56 in April and shows no loss of enthusiasm for his job. And there is a delicious irony in the fact that the commissioner is awaiting the PR boost the Champions Tour would get in 2005 from Greg Norman, a Finchem foe ever since the Australian slapped the World Tour idea on the table just months into the Finchem administration. But if there is anyone who can share a room with a wet dog and come out smelling like a rose, it's Finchem.

Norman still yet to start a regular Champions Tour event. So much for the delicious irony.

Thursday Morning Quarterbacking

Thanks to reader John for Joe Flint's Wall Street Journal story on the new Tour TV deal.

The PGA Tour has an affluent audience, but in other ways limited leverage. Even though marquee-name Tiger Woods rebounded last year, ratings for the PGA Tour have diminished somewhat over the past few years. Moreover, once ESPN signed a rights deal for Nascar auto racing, its desire to keep the PGA Tour lessened, people close to the network said.

"They're going through a marketplace adjustment," sports-television consultant Neal Pilson said of the PGA Tour's new deal. "The fact that ABC and ESPN had withdrawn was a significant signal that it is a much more difficult marketplace today than it was five or 10 years ago," he added.

"Under the prior deal, you had several different major carriers offering packages that allowed sponsors to play the networks against each other," Mr. Pilson said.

But I thought this network streamlining was a good thing...

Thomas Bonk reports on the Hope moving to cable as part of a three event, Golf Channel-broadcast start to the season (described by one TGC reporter and Mark Rolfing last night as a "big bang" to start the season...uh, maybe for the The Golf Channel but not the Tour.).

Bonk says Milwaukee and Tucson are done as events, and that Chrysler is iffy for future Hope sponsorships.

If Tucson does become the WGC match play site, that means the three remaining WGC events will be anchored in the U.S.  So much for moving those around the world. So much for the WGC.

Scott Michaux's column wins for best lead of the day.

The PGA Tour has "streamlined" its television partners and tethered itself to cable, but the "continuity" of the commissioner's Masters envy remains intact.

He goes on to weigh the pluses and minuses and is spot on. Though I think he's a little hard on Kraig Kann, who has improved significantly and exudes enthusiasm without being overbearing.

Michaux remains skeptical that the notoriously frugal Golf Channel will upgrade its production values. He probably would not feel reassured if he read Richard Sandomir of the New York Times, who offered this from TGC's David Manougian:

"The reality series show that we understand the emotions connected to the game of golf and that there are lots of ways to portray golf entertainment," said David Manougian, the president of the Golf Channel. "We'll continue to push that throttle."

Steve Elling weighs in with the Orlando angle, which is significant. He also had this tidbit regarding the negotiations:

John Wildhack, senior vice president of programming and acquisitions at ESPN and ABC, said talks with the tour broke down in late December when it became apparent that Disney would continue to lose money under the new contract terms. All the networks claim they lost money on the current contract, which ends after the '06 season. Wildhack said golf's TV viewership has suffered significant "erosion'' in that time, a fact borne out by the ratings.

Huh, but the demographics are so...ah forget it. As for the Disney event in Orlando:

Disney World learned the parent company effectively was bailing from golf broadcasting Tuesday night, when tournament officials received a memo informing them the event no longer would be broadcast in-house on ABC or ESPN. Disney tournament officials are scheduled to meet with the tour Friday to learn where they fit on the schedule.

But if the parent company doesn't want to televise golf, why host an event where you have to spend a bunch of money updating the course every few years, all for something that will be on The Golf Channel and minus big name players?

A Major Award...

...will go to the first writer who, in analyzing the PGA Tour's new TV deal, dares to question whether the "product" has been made less appealing for television by the shift to a power game, by slow play and by anti-birdie setups.

I know I'm asking a lot, but surely someone will go out on a limb and make such a suggestion. Yes, it requires a historical perspective along with thoughts about course setup, architecture and technology, but I just know someone will try. If nothing else, to be different.

(And to win this major award, the writer has to be American. The Scots, Brits and Aussies have already figured out what the Commissioner and his crew have yet to realize.)  

The All Spin Zone

Commissioner, please, you have the floor.

In regard to the strategic partnership, we are excited about our relationship with Comcast and the resources Comcast has committed to put behind this partnership. We are delighted with this long-term relationship with the Golf Channel and the ability to bring the continuity to our early rounds, which we think helps our platform.

Platform is back and back big. All is right with the world. Savor it, only six more platforms to go...

Number one is that we have a streamlined set of relationships with NBC and CBS having all the weekends. It really relaxes and reinforces the continuity we can now provide to our fans.

Right, because having ABC and ESPN would have messed up that continuity for us fans and created a general state of unrelaxation.

On the cable side with our Thursday and Friday coverage every week of the year with the Golf Channel, it really changes the dynamic of being able to set up our weekend coverage with the combination of our cable coverage leading into our network coverage.

And that is different in what way?

In addition to those things, on the cable side, I think I should point out that the Champions Tour and Nationwide Tour programming have been extended coterminously to a 15-year arrangement with The Golf Channel, as well. So in a nutshell, that's our programming situation, and we are very excited about the way it came out.

Oh yes, it's a word! Coterminous is a variant of conterminous. Link it if you don't believe me (and I know you don't...Microsoft Word sure did not think it was a word).

On the financial side, I would say, first of all, preliminarily, we do not and have not in the past released specific rights fee information with respect to our television arrangements. It has been the case four years ago and eight years ago, and that's just the way we do it.

No, instead, we selectively leak a ballpark figure to writers and players.

However, there are four different ways that we think are important to look at how the overall financial structure of these arrangements will impact the Tour going forward. Four different metrics.

Metrics! Tim has been reading his Forbes.

One is more of a general metric, which is that we think the streamlined presence of our television in providing the continuity it does will benefit all constituents and will deliver more value to our sponsors. In delivering that value to our sponsors, it will have eventually an impact on the overall financial performance of the Tour, and importantly to our tournaments, and I'll come back to that in a minute.

Can't wait. Love the streamlined presence thing. On the CNN news crawl tonight they describe it as "relegated to The Golf Channel." That liberal bias again!

The second thing we looked at is how we can grow financial benefits to the players. We are now comfortable in projecting, because of these agreements and the rest of our businesses, that if we go out and look the next six years, 2007 to 2012, we can project approximately a $600 million increase over that period in player benefits, including prize money and retirement plan contributions. That would equate to a 35 percent increase over the current six years.

More pension funding to incentivize players to play more often. Because it's working so well now.

Thirdly, I think we can now say with reasonable certainty that we can reach the second billion dollar level in the eight-to nine-year period. It took us 67 years working with our tournaments to get to the first billion, which we passed in 2005, and with our financial future intact and the kind of sponsorship we're attracting, we are now comfortable in saying that in that 2013 period, we should be able to hit the second billion dollar level.

What happened to the fourth metric?  Maybe that's the individual tournaments absorbing the blow of going from 62% of the purse subsidized to 50%?

At this point Dick Ebersol chimed in and managed to return normalcy by speaking like a non-MBA'd type. Then Sean McManus spun the benifts of a two-network, Golf Channel thing and reiterated the whole streamlining the marketplace thing. Finally, David Manougian talked about The Golf Channel's glee and its (stunning) 15 year deal. 15 years! 

And then, the Ponte Vedra Over-40 softball league broke out. 

AT&T's operator butchered the name of just about every writer calling in, creating the only true entertainment in this event. Ah, the first question from Richard Sandomir of the New York Times was good.

Q. Tim, can you discuss a little bit of -- was there a bit of scrambling when ESPN pulled out, and how did that affect your negotiations with the Golf Channel?

COMMISSIONER TIM FINCHEM: Well, I don't think anybody pulled out of negotiations. We negotiated intensively with lots of different people. The complexion of negotiations at this level takes on different twists and turns, as has every one we've ever done. I wouldn't say there were any more or less twists and turns in this one than others.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhttttttttttttttttttttttttttt!

Where we came to the Golf Channel was that we had already determined going in that The Golf Channel was a candidate for some of our premier programming. I don't think we would have said that five years ago, given their distribution levels, but with the Champions Tour, Nationwide Tour and the commitment of Comcast, they've really built their distribution, and their distribution is headed north with or without our programming. But when we add the kinds of programming that we have in this relationship now with the best players in the world playing on a fairly consistent basis on The Golf Channel, it just creates a whole other dynamic in terms of the quality of their platform.

And the distribution levels of this strengthened platform will be conterminous for 15 years. 15 years!

When we started to focus on that possibility beyond just a portion of the programming to the notion that if we could create a continuity for our viewers, one of the problems we've had over the years is generating value for our sponsors on the early round side because it's been piecemeal, and at the same time providing continuity to our fans to be comfortable with where we are. Both of those things were solved by the combination of things that David and his people have brought to the table to provide very serious commitment to the programming side of our early rounds, and you add that to the four-round commitment that we've made and we see that platform being elevated to a point where it can generate very significant numbers.

If you have any idea what that all means, you are one bright person. Or you're David Manougian. 

Q. I have two questions: Are there not markets that the Golf Channel doesn't reach right now, one; and secondly, for a tournament like Sony or even Bob Hope, if you negotiate with the title sponsor out four years, do you now have to go back and renegotiate if they thought they were going to be on a network or ESPN and are now going to be on The Golf Channel?

COMMISSIONER TIM FINCHEM: The answer to the first question is there are pockets, and maybe David is better to follow up and give more detail. But The Golf Channel has pockets around the country with a distribution of approximately 70 million right now where they don't reach. We're well aware of that. We're partners with The Golf Channel on Champions Tour and Nationwide Tour programming. Those pockets are slowly but surely disappearing, and we are very comfortable with the projected growth pattern of distribution. And I would say this, the overlay throughout the country of reaching our fan base is very, very powerful. So we don't have any hesitation there.

Pockets. Love this TVspeak.

On the second question, I would say that we have, as I think you know, very strong sponsor structure today. We have been 100 percent sponsored throughout the last five years during a recession, during the post-9/11 environment, during a very difficult time in the television marketplace. We were 100 percent sponsored. We see no difficulty in maintaining sponsorships, and I think the continuity in our sponsorship base will continue.

Coming to a bookstore in 2007: The Non-Answer Answer, by Tim Finchem.

Q. Can you say what the increases are in terms of the actual rights fees?

COMMISSIONER TIM FINCHEM: No, I've already answered that question. We don't release detailed rights fee information. We've never done it before and we're not going to do it this year.

DICK EBERSOL: By my math right now, four different questions have tried to get you to tell them what the actual television rights fees are, and I just want to cheer you on, don't tell them.

Now guys, you were happy to tell us how much more the players will be making over the six years, why don't we get to know how much the Tour is skimming bringing in for charity? 

Q. I was just wondering, you mentioned the deal with The Golf Channel provides viewer continuity. But aside from that, is there any advantage for having such a long deal? And then secondly, does your deal also provide an opportunity for some events to migrate to the OLN later on?

COMMISSIONER TIM FINCHEM: Let's see, the first part of your question is there's a range of benefits in our new arrangement with David. There is very significant differentiation in the programming flexibility of The Golf Channel. To put the best programming, the programming that can generate the most interest effectively in front of the fan base at times when they can see it. The Golf Channel is a 24/7 service, it can show our stuff at night, it can show stuff in prime time, it can replay at night, it can do all those things. It can generate more value for our sponsors and more total viewership, which total viewership is a very important thing in our business, in our sport, much more I think than other sports. We look at how many viewers we reached total through the course of a tournament. That's what our sponsors look at. As a consequence we're less driven by average ratings in any particular day part. So those things, The Golf Channel brings a lot.

See, it's not about the ratings. Just ask Nascar. And this Sportscenter, ESPN stuff, they just don't have total viewership platforming capabilities like Golf Channel.

In terms of a long-term arrangement, it's a combination of looking at the current strength of the platform, the strength of the platform that we foresee in this partnership with our programming and their capabilities in the next three, four, five years, and then the reason for 15 years is that it sets the table for us to put our position in -- to protect our position in the long-term as the television marketplace continues to evolve. So for all those reasons, we thought long-term strategic partnership was very important, and there are elements on the partnership side that we're excited about in terms of our two companies working closely together, as we will on the network side with CBS and NBC. What was the second part of your question?

Oh don't worry about it. We just filled our platform quota here.